HELP!!! FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
Smith DNA FAQ
Did you get DNA testing done?
Yes. Got it done
with FamilyTreeDNA >>>
-Join the Smith DNA project (Official-All
Locations) at FamilyTreeDNA, (we are
the official Smiths Project at FamilyTreeDNA for ALL geographical locations)
. After you join, Marieand Deb will be sent an email letting us know you
are a member of the project. What you need to do is send your direct line
Smith descent to us. We will then send you back the link so you can add or
edit the info.If you already are in a project, here's how to login to FTDNA
and join Smiths.[/*]
Yes. Tested ydna for Smith with Ancestry,
Sorenson, Relative Genetics, Oxford Ancestors, Genebase, DNA Heritage,
Genetree, Genographics, DNA-Fingerprint? >>>>Enter
your markers here or
a YDNA transfer and then send us your family line (to
we can list it in the forum.[/*]
Yes. Test mtDNA or Family Finder.
Join the Smiths project (Smiths Official All at FTDNA) and then send us your
direct family line, from the earliest Smith/Schmidt/Smythe etc for which you
have a source, directly down to you, including spouses and locations. (You
may use this form if you like)
No. Do you want to get DNA testing done? Are you a
direct line Smith male of this line? That is, your last name is
Smith/Schmidt/Smyth/Smythe or you know someone who can represent you?
Consider taking the Y-DNA test (FamilyTreeDNA) to help find connections and
potential matches with others
NO. I have
Smiths and want to add my Smiths tree and also post my Most Wanteds but nothing
to do with DNA now.Here
is the Google Plus Smiths Community. You can post about your Most Wanted, add your line to
Roll Call. You may also post on the
Smith DNA Guestbook.
You can also
register on TNG (the family tree part) , for inclusion on TNG; you need
to send us your tree so we can assign you to a branch and okay your
registration . You do not have to be logged on to read TNG.
If you have questions, email
What about Family
Information? Forum vs Tree
We are transitioning the tree information
to a new program to make it easy to add pedigree, family info, and do it
collaboratively, including seeing some wonderful charts. The old forums will
remain, including forum 5, which is the Family Lines and Information forum,
at least for the time being, but be read only
If you did testing through FamilyTreeDNA...
FamilyTreeDNA using your FTDNA supplied logon name and password
You will then be at myFTDNA
On the right hand side of the
menu, look for the My Account menu. Right above it you might see a
message that you have not uploaded your gedcom file yet and a link
to upload it. OR you can look in My Account for for
Gedcom/FamilyTree link and follow the instructions there.
When FTDNA talks about a combined gedcom, they are simply saying
that instead of having one Gedcom for, say,your YDNA and another for
mtDNA, just make a gedcom for your line that includes both paternal
and maternal and upload it.
When you upload it, it will be
available only within FTDNA and not visible to the public.
With so many members, it's simply not only not
possible to put everything on one page but also not desirable since that
page would scroll forever. Instead, because there is so much information, we
have provided forms to look up kits, hyperlinks, and search utilities. So
think of the DNA Kit # as your key to finding all information about your DNA
and your line.
IF YOU HAVE A SMITH DNA KIT, the first thing to do to find your
information is to look on just about every page directly below the green
menu for the form that says KIT # with a Search button directly to its
right. Type in your kit number and press SEARCH.
That will take you to what
I call an index page that is a starter page for everything about your kit.
You will see your haplogroup, the matched
grouping you are in (IF you have matched at least one kit at some level more
than 12 markers) then an
envelope for being contacted (Contact This Kit) , a tree that leads to your family information,
a pedigree icon
IF here is one. In the right hand column you will see your
haplogroup, Terminal SNP (if listed), and your markers. Underneath that, to
compare your markers with others in the same haplogroup, you will see a
Compare Markers link and IF you match in a group, a couple of group link
reports. If you have
supplied a photo of an early Smith ancestor, you will also see it on the
page. All the icons are hyperlinked, meaning you just have to click them to
get to that part of the site. IF YOU GET LOST, you can always go put in your
kit number in the search forum and get back to that page.
Although more tedious, you can
also look at the DNA reports and find your kit,
perhaps sorted by kit #, or
lookup up by haplogroup (for a list of ALL the DNA reports, look in the
black menu towards the top of the page for the DNA Reports item. Again, with
so many people in the project, you might be going through quite a few pages
before you come to your kit, so we suggest you always find your information
much more easily with the Search for Kit # form located under the black menu at the top of most pages.
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A SMITH DNA KIT, and wish to look simply for Smiths/Schmidts/Smyths.
etc, go to the TNG side of the site and
search for your surname.
Rest assured that
Marie and I get emailed at the same time that you do about your
results. When you get them, you can go login to FamilyTreeDNA using the
credentials FTDNA gave you. That will bring you to myFTDNA page, where, on
the right hand side you will see information such as YDNA or mtDNA matches,
Haplogroup explanations, etc.
When Marie or Deb get a chance we put
the markers up here so that they will show in the reports we have created.
Bear in mind that Smiths DNA is a volunteer project, so if the email comes
out at 8:00 at night, we aren't necessarily going to see it until we read
our emails again. That might be right away or might be a few days, depending
on what else is going on. We always, however, endeavor to do it as soon as
we can. If you think that we are neglecting them and it's been a little
while, please do send an email to
There are 2 places you can compare markers. One is on the
FamilyTreeDNA website, after logging on using the credentials FamilyTreeDNA
sent you when you joined. Depending on which type of match you are looking
for, you can go to mtDNA/FamilyFinder or YDNA matches. For YDNA matches, you
can either look at the entire database for matches or choose to look within
projects you have joined. Likewise, if you would like to *filter* your
results so that you only see the ones that have the surname Smith, you can.
FamilyTreeDNA will send you out an email when you have some type of match in
their entire set of members. That may or may not be the Smith surname, your
results might include a lot of people from all over the map with various
surnames. You can contact the people from this matching screen at FTDNA if
the person has decided to show his or her email.
For the Smith Official
DNA project, we also have matching on the site. When we are informed by
FTDNA that results are in,
we put them up on the site, where we have some custom reports. You can
see the comparison report on the page on the Smith site where your kit is.
You can find that kit from most pages by doing a search for it. You can also
find it on reports where kits are listed. The icon for it looks like this.
The comparison report
is a conservative report that compares people within the Smith project on
the site-that can also include members who tested with vendors other than
FTDNA. The comparison is always done using FTDNA's methodology and uses the
haplogroup as the common identifier to sort kits by (So, if you are an R1b,
you will not be compared against I2b) .
Here is an example of the comparison report that compares against the
haplogroup, ie, EVERYONE who has a haplogroup like this at Smiths. You can
see how a kit compares and to what extent. Kits that don't match at all are
left off this report. If a member has been matched into a group. there will
also be two more reports, one a modal group report and one a comparison
group report. The first looks within the group and finds the *modal* for
each value, creates a modal baseline and then compares the kits against that
baseline. The icon for matched groups is this.
What is a modal? It's
simply the value that there is more of in a given field. Suppose you have
marker DYS393 and 4 people have a value of "13" and 3 people have a value of
"14". Because there are more "13" than "14", the modal will be 13. This is
useful for seeing patterns where given kits deviate from the baseline but
the modal is not significant beyond that. Why not? Because the numbers are
always subject to change based on who happens to be in that grouping at any
given time. Suppose, as in my example above, that 2 more people join the
group today and the value of their marker DYS393 is 14. Then there would be
4 people with "13" and 5 people with "14", so the modal value becomes 14. As
you can see on this example,
when there is a marker that deviates from the modal, it's put in white so it
The other grouping report is like the comparison
report for markers except instead of using a haplogroup to compare kits by,
the group is used. So your kit is used as the baseline for comparing
everyone else in your group.
The icon for it looks like this.
Here is an example of the comparison Group report-
note that the reference kit has a value of 14 at 385b, the other kits have
13 so they show in white.
One other reason you might not see your
results on Smiths is if you are not a member of the Smiths-Smiths Official
All project at FamilyTreeDNA. Marie and I are only automatically sent
results for those who are members. If you have had your DNA done with
FamilyTreeDNA and fall into the criteria for the Smiths project,
follow these instructions. Go login to FTDNA using the credentials FTDNA
gave you. You will then be on your myFTDNA page. Now you need to JOIN
PROJECT- either Search for Smith or browse through the list for Smiths-
Official DNA Project for All Smith/Schmidt/Smyth et all in the list. Join
the Smiths project. Marie and I will be
sent an email letting us know you are now part, and we will be able to see
your results and add them to the site.
Suppose you are in a DNA group that has some good matches. Suppose one
of the people in your group has supplied a tree that does not meet your
early ancestor and that person nor you knows exactly how you might match
from a paper trail standpoint. On the tree side we always list kits together
that can prove a paper trail to a given ancestor. Example, Here is group
R1b-60- the kits in this group that include Reverend John Smith b c 1620 ENG
match very well and are thus grouped together.
click on the TREE icon by each kit it will take you to the early known
ancestor that is presumably proven or the PEDIGREE
see the ancestral direct lineage . In the case of Reverend John Smith,
there are 4 kits listed at the tree link with Rev Smith (see pic directly
below), not the 7 that are on the DNA matched grouping
report. There IS a link to the Matched Grouping on the tree so that you
can see if there are others that match EVEN IF IT' S NOT KNOWN THAT
THEY STEM FROM JOHN SMITH.
is the link from the tree for Kit 170423, from Thomas Smith. This kit IS listed
with the matched grouping but is NOT listed with John Smith on the TREE
This is because, at this particular point in time, it is unknown
what the sourced, paper trail nexus is with John Smith. IF at any time
anyone seeing the tree can supply information to prove the connection,
please do send, we will send it on to the contact person for the group for
discussion and will update info
on the TREE side, suppose you wanted to compare Thomas Smith to see what
relationship he has with John Smith. There will NOT be a relationship,
because the utilty below is analyzing this from the TREE standpoint and at
this point in time it is simply not known HOW that person may or may not be
paper tied to John. So you can ONLY compare people with each other on the
tree side who actually have a listed connection with another person. And
really, that's the point of the DNA project, is to narrow down the field of
Smith surnames to targeting research where you may match another person via
DNA while not knowing the Smith tree relationship.
If there is not a contact for a group that includes your line, we welcome
you to join up as the contact. Questions about the group would be referred
to you as the collaboration head with others in the group. If you are already registered on TNG (the
tree part of Smiths), send an email with your kit # and which group # you
want to be the contact for. Otherwise,
on TNG, reference, your DNA kit and put a note that you would like to be
the contact person.
you had your YDNA DNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, all you need to do is go join
the project. To do so, login to FTDNA using the login name and password that
were given to you by FamilyTreeDNA. That will bring you to your myFTDNA
page. On the left hand side, look for Join Project, find SMITHS (Smith
Official All DNA Project) and join it. That's all you need to do. Marie
Plummer and Debbie Harper are the volunteer administrators for the official
Smith DNA project for all locations at FTDNA and will receive an email
letting us know you are now a member. That will enable us to see your
markers and get them listed. We will also want to have your lineage. There
are also a couple of regional Smith projects for specific states. For
example, Smiths of Abbeville SC is for those who have ancestral origins
there and Smith Connections NE is for those who have origins in specific
states in the northeastern half of the United States. To compare your
markers with ALL Smiths/Schmidts/Smyths/Smythes etc in ALL locations, you
will need to join the
Smith Official ALL project-we include ALL states in the US and ALL
If you have not had your YDNA DNA tested and wish to do so at FamilyTreeDNA ,
click the Join link here.
If you YDNA tested with another vendor, such
as Ancestry, Sorensen, Relative Genetics, etc,
you can go to FTDNA and have your YDNA markers listed with FTDNA by doing a ydna
you can use this
form to add them to the site(adding them to this site will not cause
them to show up with FTDNA unless you do the ydna transfer). They will not
show up here until they are approved to make sure you're not a spammer. We
will also require that you send your lineage befor the markers are posted so
that we can make some intelligent potential matches based on patriarchs and
The Smith project is a surname project for the Smith/Schmidt/Smyth/Smitt/Smithers/Smithson and variations surname. For DNA comparison, we use YDNA, which requires that the participant is or has a tester that is a male Smith whose father is a Smith whose father is a Smith, or, if adopted or otherwise, unknown, has strong matches on multiple markers (past 12) with other Smiths testing via YDNA.
If you have done Family Finder or Autosomal testing, you can still participate in the project by sending your tree; we do not match on autosomal results. The main reason for this is that autosomal is truly a DNA entity in which you compare with everyone in a given system, not simply those with the Smith surname. Since ONLY Smith, Schmidt, Smyth, etc join the Smith project, we do not have access to everyone in the system. Also, even if we did, the resources that would be required to try to do matching would simply be outdone by the great utility that FamilyTreeDNA has to look for matches.
Therefore, what we suggest is that you send your direct lineage that includes Smith to us for listing on the TNG (tree) side, and then, if you did autosomal testing with another vendor than FTDNA,
upload your results to FTDNA for comparison.
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