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I have spent a good bit of time considering and researching these notes and I agree that my Asa Smith (1788) cannot be the same Asa Smith who married Hannah Comstock and who appears in "Pioneers of Macedon". SO that severes the link to Jeremiah and the Quakers and puts my research back to Asa himself. 

I agree that he is more likely the person you outline in the second paragraph of the above comment.  One interesting thing to note is that Clinton, NY sits on the Canadian border to the North and on the Vermont border to the East.  My research has shown that it was at that time a very porous border surrounding a river where people moved freely between Vermont, Canada, and New York and inter-married frequently.  This all makes sense in the context of documents that alternately place the birthplace of Asa(1788) in Canada or Vermont.

The one confusing fact I keep coming back to is that in the 1850 Clinton, NY federal census log, Asa Smith is living with one of his sons in Clinton, and Lura is living next door with another of Asa's son.  She has been declared as 'insane" in that record by the way.  Asa, who is 62 at the time, says his place of birth is Massachusetts!?  I am left confused as to why he would say this, since Mass is a place of birth that is not in the Clinton, NY border area.

For now it is a deep mystery that I feel only continued Y-DNA research may resolve.  I have completed a Y-DNA kit and am actively looking at other Smith lines to find a match that might solve this mystery.

Thank you for all of your help!


May 12, 2022
In reply to Jeremiah Smith of -Smithfield, Berkshire, MA, Ontario NY m Rachel Wilbur

fins2thright
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Sending you email so can look at the will. 

The matched grouping for you is GRP-R-M269-42 Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA Matched Grouping GRP-R-M269-42 -Clement Smith Brunswick VA, William Bradford Smith b c 1834 MO, Joseph Smith b c 1795 TN -Haplogroup(R-M269) : Smith DNA Big Tree - Smith DNA Project at FamilyTreeDNA - Official/All Locations (smithsworldwide.org)


May 6, 2022
In reply to New Member Peter Smith b 1730 Halifax Co NC m Mary

smithsworldwide
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OK, so this question was posted in 2016 and it's now 2022 ... but I still have a thought. Ragland's book actually mentions the relationship of Thomas Smith of HorsePen twice. Once Thomas is called a half-brother to the Hatfields, and a second time he is called a half-cousin. I have no idea which is true (assuming that one of them is correct), but autosomal DNA might tell the tale. Numerous descendants of Ephriam Hatfield and Mary Smith DO have DNA matches to descendants of Ericus Smith/Bridget Anderson. Autosomal DNA could be an excellent avenue for further research for descendants of Thomas Smith. (I've got the segment data in a Smith/Hatfield project through GEDmatch.)
May 5, 2022
In reply to Ericus Smith had daughter mary who married Ephraim Hatfield

Lesliemac
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Pretty sure I've traced this Peter Smith to have shown in his will son John Smith who I've been missing the link through to Bibb County, AL and then on to Lauderdale, MS. I am a direct paternal link back to John Smith, born circa 1759 and died in Lauderdale county, MS in 1839.
I've taken Y-DNA 111 and shown to be linked with all the Smiths from Virginia, NC, SC, GA, AL, MS, TX, LA lineages

May 1, 2022
In reply to New Member Peter Smith b 1730 Halifax Co NC m Mary

coolbreeze
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I realize that I've already sent you something similar and that you're looking for another source to confirm what I've pointed out but I'm including a link to a document that I've pulled together in case someone else later has the same question later on.

For what it's worth, I agree with all your points other than William Henry Smith's parents.

In the meantime, I welcome any discussion.

https://www.smithsworldwide.org/tng/showmedia.php?mediaID=10387&medialinkID=8788

April 17, 2022
In reply to William Henry Smith 2/28/1945 - 1/6/1922 Delta Delta Colorado

imaquila
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On the Asa *B*. Take a look at the Asa B Smith m Hannah Comstock family on this site, with a number of deed references, etc. First one is from "Pioneers of Maceson" in which a Daniel Thrasher said he heard Asa B Smith say that his father Jeremiah Smith built the mill in 1800. Farmington Monthly meeting (Quaker) of Ontario Co NY shows the marriage of Asa Smith and Hannah Comstock and lists Asa as being son of Jeremiah and Rachel (dec) of Palmyra. The 1850 census of Macedon shows Asa *B* Smith b c 1788 MA m Hannah C Smith which is clearly Hannah Comstock. Asa is also listed with *B* on the 1860 Macedon, Wayne Co NY census. There is a deed from 1838 between Asa B Smith of Macedon and Isaac Hathaway of Farmington. Also a deed between Asa B Smith and Jonathan Ramsdell and Gideon Herendeen. Jeremiah's daughter Hannah smith m Gideon Ramsdell, and had son Jonathan Ramsdell. Deed in 1838 between Asa B Smith of Macedon, Isaac Hathaway of Farmington and Gideon Herendeen of Farmington. Deed between Isaac Lapham and Asa B Smith of Macedon in 1834. Deed between Asa B Smith and David Little in 1830. (I believe Isaac Lapham may be son of David Lapham and Judith Smith; Isaac married Mary, daughter of Jacob Smith of Farmington NY ) 

What is tantalizing about this is that Judith Smith is supposed to be a daughter of William  "Quaker"  Smith who was born in 1773 Bristol Co MA and died in 1819 in Shelburne Chittendon Co VT, m Elizabeth Howland. There is another Asa Smith, your Asa Smith who married Lura Bidgood, daughter of Remington Bidgood in 1808 in Shelburne, Chittenden Co VT, and can be consistently found in Mooers, Clinton Co NY in 1820, 1830, 1850, 1860 and 1870. According to the History of Clinton and Franklin Counties NY, this Asa Smith came to these counties from Canada and was a native of Vermont. This Asa Smith cannot be the same Asa Smith as the one in Ontario Co NY.. But William Smith did have a son Gideon Smith who was born in 1753 in Dartmouth and died 1798 in Shelburne, and another, Noah Smith also from Dartmouth that went to Ontario Canada. If, as a theory, Asa Smith was a member of a family that left MA, went to Vermont, and thence to Canada, from which Asa, said to have been borin Vernont and came to Clinton Co NY FROM Canada, could he have been more closely related to William Smith. To add to this, it appears that Jonathan Smith b 1706 in Dartmouth m Phebe Russell was the father to William AND to a Stephen Smith who died before 1804 in Farmington. 


April 12, 2022
In reply to Jeremiah Smith of -Smithfield, Berkshire, MA, Ontario NY m Rachel Wilbur

smithsworldwide
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Thank you for so much for this very informative post.  I believe I am a direct blood descendent of Jeremiah Smith, so I have a very close interest in this lineage.  One comment I would make in the interest of disentanglement: If as noted here Jeremiah was a Quaker, and I believe he was, it would be very unusual that Asa Smith would also be known as Asa B. Smith.  This is because Quakers, as a rule, did not use middle names.  There might be an entanglement of Asa Smith's here, and one that has vexed my family for generations and caused our lineage to be traced to multiple pioneers.  I am currenly doing Y-DNA testing and will report back on any disentanglement information that might bring forth.
April 12, 2022
In reply to Jeremiah Smith of -Smithfield, Berkshire, MA, Ontario NY m Rachel Wilbur

fins2thright
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Anyone have ideas on who this William S. Smith is and who his father is? I have found 3 different William S's...William Sterling Smith, William Stephen Smith, and William Smith Smith. Here is what I do know about my earliest Smith based off of first census I can find on him (1860) he was born in Georgia 1818 and all census there after he list his father as being born in Georgia. 
So this William Smith we are connected to through the Ydna testing...what is the story of how they ended up in TN, who was his father, who are his siblings? The birthdate 1767 isn't matching up with any other Smith in this group. I have tried going through Josiah, Cuthbert, etc., trying to find that link.  I keep going back to the Smiths that migrated to Wilkes county GA from SC.; however, none of those Smiths are in this group. 
I thought I would get closer to smashing through that brickwall by taking the bigY....any help would be greatly apprecited

April 7, 2022
In reply to Big-Y result in -new Big-Y group BY-R-M269-20

herewegoagn
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Hi, Joey
Welcome to the Smith DNA Project. To answer your questions. 
1. You can do an autosomal transfer (a copy) of your Ancestry data to FamilyTreeDNa so we can compare the results with others who may match you. Instructions. 
2. Why direct descendants and/or sole survivors. The way the primary groups work here is by finding, if possible, YDNA testers. Those are male Smiths or female Smith who have a male Smith relative who can do a YDNA test for them. People with autosomal results, like Ancestry, can also compare their results with others, in a group best is to see if an autosomal results also matches with a YDNA tester who has done autosomal as well. Because we are looking for matches on DNA, it is important to find or attract others in the same line or related to compare results with. That's why people say they know they have a direct line to so and so ancestor OR there isn't anyone in their immediate line they can compare to because they're the only one left living. 
3. Here's what we need, if you haven't already done this. Do step 1 and then ALSO send in your direct line to the earliest Smith ancestor that you can prove; send it to info@smithsworldwide.org so we can see IF that line is represented in the database, IF anyone has done any type of DNA to try to prove it, OR we can list it. 

Looking forward to hearing from you. 

March 7, 2022
In reply to My great great grandpa creed(Frank Sr father)

smithsworldwide
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What is needed is a YDNA test, offered by FamilyTreeDNA. If you already have an autosomal type test from FTDNA, called FamilyFinder, there is no need to also do an autosomal test from Ancestry, which is what they offer. Ie, same type of test, thus redundant where a YDNA type test goes male to male to male. 


February 26, 2022
In reply to Cuthbert Smith

smithsworldwide
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