1750 - 1826 (76 years) 
Submit Photo/Document/Source
Login or Register to Post a Query about William Smith
JOIN the Smith Official DNA Project w a DNA Kit
Smith Matched Groupings List (All)
Reply
Have two trees. One that has a William Rosser Smith m Sarah Brewer with YDNA tester R-M269 and the other William Smith m Jenny Cagle with YDNA tester I-M253. The same William Smith m Jenny Cagle was listed as a son in the William Rosser Smith tree, but after getting back YDNA results from a descendant of this line, it is clear that he matches I-M253 into the very large group GRP-I-M253-3 Moreover, the names of this William Smith m Jenny Cagle (daughter of George Cagle) match the ubiquitiouis names in the group, ie, Nathan and Everett.
As you read this, my conclusion is that William Smith m Jenny Cagle is not the son of William Rosser Smith. William Smith simply can only be one haplogroup and the haplogroups cannot conflict.
There are 4 William Smiths in the 1790 Moore Co NC census
1. 1 m under 16, 1 m 16 and over 4 f
2. 1 m under 16, 1 m 16 and over 4 f -both 1 and 2 on same page of census -Note the proximity of both George Cagle and Nathan Smith
3. 1 m under 16, 1 m 16 and over, 1 f
4. 2 m under 16, 1 m 16 and over, 3 f
In the 1800 census there are also 4 William Smiths including one that is listed as William Smith Sr, all Fayetteville
1. William Smith Sr
5 m under 10, 1 m 16-25, 1 m 26-44, 1 f 26-44
2. William Smith next door -this one seems clearly older than William Smith Sr next door
1 m 16-25 1 m 45 and over 1 f 16-25 1 f 45 and over
3. William Smith
1 m 16-25
4. William Smith
1 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 1 m 16-25, 1 m 45 and over , 1 f 10-15, 1 f 45 and over
In 1810 there are also 4 Williams
1. William Smith
1 m 26-44 2 f under 10 1 f 16-25 lives near Cagles
2. William Smith
3 m under 10, 2 m 10-145, 1 m 45 and over, 1 f under 10, 2 f 10-15, 1 f 45 and over
3. William Smith
3 m under 10, 1 m 10-15, 2 m 16-25, 1 m 45 and over, 3 f under 10, 2 f 10-15 1 f 45 and over
4 William Smith-same page as #3
1 m 45 and over
1 f 45 and over
According to the Wallace Family of Moore County, NC, in 1769 William Smith purchased the 100 acre tract (shown on an excellent map prepared by Morgan Jackson) from David Cagle. In 1801, a youinger William Smith, called William Sr at that point, received a 50 acre tract adjoining the earlier grant. William Smith sold all the rights to the 50 acre tract to George Cagle in 1807 "except the graveyard where my father is buried".
So, back to the issue. Linda Cheek had put some notes on the William Smith who married Jenny Cagle, assuming that the parentage was William Rosser Smith, desc testing R-M269
- Research of Linda Smith Cheek--1801, Jun 17 -- Land Grant #1923, Moore County, NC
William Smith Senr. received a 50 acre Land Grant located Southeast of Cabbin Creek adjoining the plantation where his father did live and John Cagle. George Cagle and William Smith were chain carriers. [There is confusion about whose father this refers to). The land was originally entered by James Williams in 1796 and the entry references including his Father improvement where his Father lives. The purchase price was ultimately not paid and William Smith re-entered it in 1799. The "Father's plantation" would seem to refer to James Williams father, George Williams, who resided nearby. But then in 1807, William Smith deeded all rights to this tract to George Cagle except the grave yard where his father is buried." William Smith father, William Smith, purchased land adjoining this tract in 1769 from David Cagle.]
John Caygills, Plantation".John (Cagle) was situated at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks (where he remained until his death in 1799).David was situated on Flat Creek, which apparently was a small tributary of either Bear or Cabin Creek, (NC) David's survey, of 100 acres does not seem to border directly on any previously owned land, and county, seems to have been sparsely populated at that early date.David made his Land Entry and received his Warrant for Survey on April 21, 1764, made his Survey on July 5, 1764, and received his land Grant on April 25, 1767, as recorded on Land Grant Book No.23, page 24.In 1769, David sold his track of land to William Smith, and moved westward to what is now Cabarrus County, North Carolina.
David is known to have ties to three North Carolina Regions:(1) Old Rowan County, 1760, and perhaps also 1750's.Probably lived somewhere along Deep River, either in Randolph or Guilford, was on the tax list sometime in the 1760's with son John, (2) Old Cumberland County, had land patent at forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks in1767, which he sold in 1769. (3) Cabarrus County, then part of Mecklenburg, had land entry in 1779, maybe died there in 1793.
(LSC--this land wound up in Moore Co. NC)
1801, Jun 17 -- Land Grant #1923, Moore County, NC
William Smith Senr. received a 50 acre Land Grant located Southeast of Cabbin Creek adjoining the plantation where his father did live and John Cagle. George Cagle and William Smith were chain carriers. [There is confusion about whose father this refers to). The land was originally entered by James Williams in 1796 and the entry references including his Father improvement where his Father lives. The purchase price was ultimately not paid and William Smith re-entered it in 1799. The "Father's plantation" would seem to refer to James Williams father, George Williams, who resided nearby. But then in 1807, William Smith deeded all rights to this tract to George Cagle except the grave yard where his father is buried." William Smith father, William Smith, purchased land adjoining this tract in 1769 from David Cagle.]
ALSO NOTE BY LINDA SMITH CHEEK
The confusion is that Wm Sr was Wm Jr as Sr died and he took the title SR.
Indenture made 20 March 1749, between Mary Smith and William Smith of Brunswick County, and David Sims of same, £28, 100a, Rattlesnake Creek. Signed William Smith (bhm) and Sarah Smith (bhm). Wit: Sampson Lanier, Edward Wesson, William Johnson. Court 28 March 1750, Indenture and Memorandum acknowledged by William and Mary Smith.
Deed Book 4, Page 135.
NOTE by Linda---this deed was between William the son and his mother Mary and this Wm one married Sarah Brewer. dated 1749 and William and Sarah did not have a son at this time. The Wm m. Jenny b. 1755 which was 6 years after his birth 1749? so not their son either.
Deed Book 4, Page 135.
NOTE by Linda---this deed was between William the son and his mother Mary and this Wm one married Sarah Brewer. dated 1749 and William and Sarah did not have a son at this time. The Wm m. Jenny b. 1755 which was 6 years after his birth 1749? so not their son either.
What is the reference for these going to York County SC or being Quakers?
Note by Linda--The William Smith b. 1755 m. Jean "Jenny" Cagle were Quakers to York SC for a while or just attend the church? with Drury Smith most likely a brother to Drury.
1806, Mar 21 -- Land Grant #1965, Moore County, NC
William Smith, Junr. received a 50 acre Land Grant located on the South prong of Cabin Creek adjoining Joseph Allen, Thomas Graham and David Allison. George Brewer and James Morgan Medford were chain carriers.
William Smith deeded George Cagle 50 acre located adjoining Cagle. Smith deeded all rights to the 50 acres to Cagle except the "grave yard where his father is buried." John Smith and Jesse Brown were witnesses.
Now, you can see the problem. At least part of the notes above reference Brunswick Co VA but it looks as likely that at least some of the Smiths in Moore Co NC came from Cumberland County, NC.
According to Dewey Smith, who has energetically and thoroughly researched and YDNA many many members of this group,
My feeling is that both Donnie Smiths and my Smiths connect at Nicholas Smith of early Bladen/Cumberland Counties. My friend and Cousin, James Elliott Smith of Lincoln Co., Miss. is a map expert and he has studied all the old maps and land grants of that area and he also agrees with me. We think our Nathan Smith, b. ca. 1731, Bladen Co. and the William Smith, b. ca. 1730 Bladen Co. were brothers and Nicholas Smith, b. ca. 1705 was the father.
There are 4 William Smiths, multiple land deeds from William Smith. What is true is that the person who matches into the I-M253 haplogroup appears to take the day. His Isaac Smith who married a Brewer can be found in 1820 near a number of Cagles. Due to both the location and the naming conventions of the William Smith m Jenny Cagle's children, the descendant of William fits very easily into the GRP-I-M253-3 grouping.
On the William Rosser Smith tree, have removed this William Smith m Cagle as a son, the locations seem to be al over the map, need proof if William Rosser Smith had a son named William.
All that said, would like to sort out who the other William Smiths are and proof of their origin. For example, might have relationship with Neill Smith 1761 Cumberland Co NC who eppears to have a land grant in Moore Co NC in 1797
Bottom line is that this line wins the day but anyone with more information on any of the William Smiths is welcome to supply source proofs for a revist. No matter what, the tester who comes from Moore Co NC with William Smith m Jennie Cagle is definitely is I-M253. September 15, 2021
Post ID 2193 Read Comments(0) Times Viewed:(68)